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		<title>By: Dublin Opinion &#187; Blog Archive &#187; THE NEW MIDDLE CLASS: IRELAND&#8217;S REMARKABLE ROCKETS</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/10/23/irish-times-gives-award-to-itself/#comment-43787</link>
		<author>Dublin Opinion &#187; Blog Archive &#187; THE NEW MIDDLE CLASS: IRELAND&#8217;S REMARKABLE ROCKETS</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] construction industry and banking sector has by-passed the land speculators, mortgage pimps, and Irish Times entrepreneurs, and landed on the shoulders of those who&#8217;ve bought the over-priced, and in some cases, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] construction industry and banking sector has by-passed the land speculators, mortgage pimps, and Irish Times entrepreneurs, and landed on the shoulders of those who&#8217;ve bought the over-priced, and in some cases, [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Crank McFonald</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/10/23/irish-times-gives-award-to-itself/#comment-42199</link>
		<author>Crank McFonald</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/10/23/irish-times-gives-award-to-itself/#comment-42199</guid>
		<description>Good old Frank, safely ensconced in his nice little "batchelor" pad in Temple Bar. Funny, he declined to mention how MyHome.IE is not allowing us to make up our own mind about property trends by blocking access to blogger agents.
http://shazgood.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/myhomeie-bans-bloggers/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good old Frank, safely ensconced in his nice little &#8220;batchelor&#8221; pad in Temple Bar. Funny, he declined to mention how MyHome.IE is not allowing us to make up our own mind about property trends by blocking access to blogger agents.<br />
<a href="http://shazgood.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/myhomeie-bans-bloggers/" rel="nofollow">http://shazgood.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/myhomeie-bans-bloggers/</a></p>
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		<title>By: A Dereliction of Duty? &#124; Irish Election</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/10/23/irish-times-gives-award-to-itself/#comment-41328</link>
		<author>A Dereliction of Duty? &#124; Irish Election</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my post on The Irish Times Gives Award to Itself Dav of mediabite.org, kindly left a link to a very interesting and wide-ranging interview that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] my post on The Irish Times Gives Award to Itself Dav of mediabite.org, kindly left a link to a very interesting and wide-ranging interview that [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Dublin Opinion &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Dereliction of Duty?</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/10/23/irish-times-gives-award-to-itself/#comment-41296</link>
		<author>Dublin Opinion &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Dereliction of Duty?</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/10/23/irish-times-gives-award-to-itself/#comment-41296</guid>
		<description>[...] my post on The Irish Times Gives Award to Itself Dav of mediabite.org, kindly left a link to a very interesting and wide-ranging interview that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] my post on The Irish Times Gives Award to Itself Dav of mediabite.org, kindly left a link to a very interesting and wide-ranging interview that [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Donagh</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/10/23/irish-times-gives-award-to-itself/#comment-41293</link>
		<author>Donagh</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/10/23/irish-times-gives-award-to-itself/#comment-41293</guid>
		<description>That great Dav, thanks. A very interesting interview. 
I think O'Toole's point about media not necessarily being 'an objective and accurate reflection of everything that is important to Irish society' is worth emphasising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That great Dav, thanks. A very interesting interview.<br />
I think O&#8217;Toole&#8217;s point about media not necessarily being &#8216;an objective and accurate reflection of everything that is important to Irish society&#8217; is worth emphasising.</p>
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		<title>By: dav</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/10/23/irish-times-gives-award-to-itself/#comment-41131</link>
		<author>dav</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/10/23/irish-times-gives-award-to-itself/#comment-41131</guid>
		<description>Fintan O'Toole on The Irish Times' conflict of interest:

"MB - You have probably seen the documentary on RTE recently concerning the 'looming' property 'landing'. While it was to a degree one sided; this was definitely something that needed to be said. Yet the next day there is an article in the Irish Independent asking why RTE was scaremongering - 'RTE broadcasts fear in the market'.

FT - You are absolutely right about that. It was interesting that RTE did that. RTE are one of the few media outlets that don't take property advertising. It's not a simple one plus one equation, though it is undoubtedly true that if not the choice of subject, but the prominence that is given a certain subject has to be related to the direct interests of the media outlets themselves. There is no question that almost all of the Irish media for the last 10-15 years has had a crucial economic stake in a rising property market. Because property advertising is very lucrative and is a very important part of what makes the Irish media tick. It's not that a newspaper like the Irish Times will not publish things that say 'this is a bubble'. It has published a number of pieces and very authoritative pieces, but in a sense it's where are those pieces going to appear. How are they related to the broader agenda, in terms of how we understand our society at the moment? So I'm not saying there is an absolute mechanical relationship between certain interests and what appears, but I am saying that the relationship exists. People need to understand this, it is not a council of despair - well you know there is nothing you can do about this. A critical understanding of how the media works is one in which people understand the kind of relationships that are involved and how to read and see that it is not necessarily an objective and accurate reflection of everything that is important to Irish society. "

http://www.mediabite.org/article_The-Corporate-Media---Part-1_474268952.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fintan O&#8217;Toole on The Irish Times&#8217; conflict of interest:</p>
<p>&#8220;MB - You have probably seen the documentary on RTE recently concerning the &#8216;looming&#8217; property &#8216;landing&#8217;. While it was to a degree one sided; this was definitely something that needed to be said. Yet the next day there is an article in the Irish Independent asking why RTE was scaremongering - &#8216;RTE broadcasts fear in the market&#8217;.</p>
<p>FT - You are absolutely right about that. It was interesting that RTE did that. RTE are one of the few media outlets that don&#8217;t take property advertising. It&#8217;s not a simple one plus one equation, though it is undoubtedly true that if not the choice of subject, but the prominence that is given a certain subject has to be related to the direct interests of the media outlets themselves. There is no question that almost all of the Irish media for the last 10-15 years has had a crucial economic stake in a rising property market. Because property advertising is very lucrative and is a very important part of what makes the Irish media tick. It&#8217;s not that a newspaper like the Irish Times will not publish things that say &#8216;this is a bubble&#8217;. It has published a number of pieces and very authoritative pieces, but in a sense it&#8217;s where are those pieces going to appear. How are they related to the broader agenda, in terms of how we understand our society at the moment? So I&#8217;m not saying there is an absolute mechanical relationship between certain interests and what appears, but I am saying that the relationship exists. People need to understand this, it is not a council of despair - well you know there is nothing you can do about this. A critical understanding of how the media works is one in which people understand the kind of relationships that are involved and how to read and see that it is not necessarily an objective and accurate reflection of everything that is important to Irish society. &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mediabite.org/article_The-Corporate-Media---Part-1_474268952.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediabite.org/article_The-Corporate-Media&#8212;Part-1_474268952.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: donal</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/10/23/irish-times-gives-award-to-itself/#comment-41110</link>
		<author>donal</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If this the I.T. sucking up, I’d hate to see them lay the boot in."

I think you'll find the john rocca designed tan moccasin is in vogue in IT towers these years gone by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If this the I.T. sucking up, I’d hate to see them lay the boot in.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ll find the john rocca designed tan moccasin is in vogue in IT towers these years gone by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavement Trauma</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/10/23/irish-times-gives-award-to-itself/#comment-41099</link>
		<author>Pavement Trauma</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/10/23/irish-times-gives-award-to-itself/#comment-41099</guid>
		<description>And you could have quoted the entire paragraph, explaining why he used the word 'courage' about building in Gardiner St in 1992.

"Although it is a humdrum piece of neo-classical pastiche, with five-storey blocks of smallish flats standing on stilts above basement car parking, it took a lot of courage to build in Gardiner Street at that time. Certainly, no other developers were prepared to do so.  After all, the junction with Seán MacDermott Street was known as "Handbag Corner" because of the dexterity of local thieves in snatching bags from cars while women drivers were stopped at the traffic lights. Custom Hall pioneered the regeneration of Gardiner Street, changing the image of the area."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you could have quoted the entire paragraph, explaining why he used the word &#8216;courage&#8217; about building in Gardiner St in 1992.</p>
<p>&#8220;Although it is a humdrum piece of neo-classical pastiche, with five-storey blocks of smallish flats standing on stilts above basement car parking, it took a lot of courage to build in Gardiner Street at that time. Certainly, no other developers were prepared to do so.  After all, the junction with Seán MacDermott Street was known as &#8220;Handbag Corner&#8221; because of the dexterity of local thieves in snatching bags from cars while women drivers were stopped at the traffic lights. Custom Hall pioneered the regeneration of Gardiner Street, changing the image of the area.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Conor McCabe</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/10/23/irish-times-gives-award-to-itself/#comment-41072</link>
		<author>Conor McCabe</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/10/23/irish-times-gives-award-to-itself/#comment-41072</guid>
		<description>You could have at least quoted the sentence, pavement, instead of mix-and-matching.

"Although it is a humdrum piece of neo-classical pastiche, with five-storey blocks of smallish flats standing on stilts above basement car parking, it took a lot of courage to build in Gardiner Street at that time."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could have at least quoted the sentence, pavement, instead of mix-and-matching.</p>
<p>&#8220;Although it is a humdrum piece of neo-classical pastiche, with five-storey blocks of smallish flats standing on stilts above basement car parking, it took a lot of courage to build in Gardiner Street at that time.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Pavement Trauma</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/10/23/irish-times-gives-award-to-itself/#comment-41061</link>
		<author>Pavement Trauma</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/10/23/irish-times-gives-award-to-itself/#comment-41061</guid>
		<description>Frank McDonald is hardly gushing over the developers he is profiling. The one today on the Cosgrave Brothers refers to some of their developments as being variously "[a] humdrum piece of neo-classical pastiche", "fussy-looking ", "Noddyland-style", "disappointingly underscaled" and "perfectly pitched to nouveau riche aspirations".

If this the I.T. sucking up, I'd hate to see them lay the boot in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank McDonald is hardly gushing over the developers he is profiling. The one today on the Cosgrave Brothers refers to some of their developments as being variously &#8220;[a] humdrum piece of neo-classical pastiche&#8221;, &#8220;fussy-looking &#8220;, &#8220;Noddyland-style&#8221;, &#8220;disappointingly underscaled&#8221; and &#8220;perfectly pitched to nouveau riche aspirations&#8221;.</p>
<p>If this the I.T. sucking up, I&#8217;d hate to see them lay the boot in.</p>
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